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« on: April 10, 2011, 08:02:55 PM » |
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I was lucky enough to snatch up a Carnelian today and was wondering, Charlie, do you know who the other parent is? I see it's a Blackjack kid...
I'm very excited about this season's flowers. Sorry about my absenteeism everyone. Life is... to say the very least... throwing me an incredible amount of flux and inconsistency at the moment.
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« Reply #1 on: April 10, 2011, 08:40:58 PM » |
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Tell me about it Jordan... I am about to get my masters, and have no idea what I am going to do... I am glad you got Carnelian too, I am curious as to what the parents are on that one. Same with Dragon Slayer, I see its a BD offspring but crossed by what!?  |
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Charlie
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« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2011, 05:01:48 AM » |
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Both Carnelian and Dragon Slayer have the same pod parent, an unnamed seedling that I kept for hybridizing. It's number is 08-0108 and it is Saffron x Muffin Man. I like it because it has a superb upright well branching bush. The flower is red with a slight tinge of brown and typically 6-7 inches. The flower isn't interesting enough in itself but with the Muffin Man genes there is the potential for yellow spots and all the color possibilities that come with brown flowers. Of course Saffron is one of my favorites to hybridize with so all in all 08-0108 seemed to offer some good potential and in fact that has proven true in such new varieties as Carnelian and Dragon Slayer.
Charlie
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« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2011, 05:02:41 AM » |
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pHd, Chris?
Have fun while you can!
Charlie
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« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2011, 07:57:11 AM » |
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Haha I dont know if I can handle a PhD at this point in time, but we will see what happens...
Interesting about that seedling, is it also parent to eye for beauty as well? If so it is interesting to see two really unique eye types coming out of the same cross. Black Jack x 08-0108
I also see Tea and Crumpets and Chai Tea also look to be a cross with black jack. Interesting how Carnelian, Eye for beauty, Tea and Crumpets and Chai tea have unique and interesting eyes and share similar parentage.
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Charlie
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« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2011, 07:02:01 AM » |
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You've got a good eye, Chris. Eye For Beauty is the same cross using the unnamed seedling and Black Jack. These are flowers for those who like fine detail rather than those who prefer colors that shout out for attention across the garden.
Charlie
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« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2011, 07:07:27 PM » |
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Varieties like Carnelian and Eye of Beauty are excellent candidates for indoor plant culture, interesting blooms are great for indoors since they can be the "center piece". I wonder which parent is contributing the cool eye types, my guess would be black jack. Any other crosses using those parents produce this pink and purple eye type?
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Darkhorse
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« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2012, 01:05:04 AM » |
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You know, I'm starting to think that my Carnelian may in fact not be Carnelian. I've never seen it bloom like the photo in the description. After going over the hibiscus gallery, I think I may have Sweet Caramel instead. What do you all think?
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2012, 05:13:03 AM » |
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You may be right, Jordan. They are similar varieties, especially in summer, but your photos look very much like Sweet Caramel. Have you seen it bloom in winter or indoors? Carnelian has a more reddish purple cast in cooler conditions. Sweet Caramel is also more vigorous as a grower.
Charlie
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2012, 09:11:23 PM » |
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The orange rays and two tone eye remind me more of tea and crumpets than sweet caramel. Its a pretty one at any rate!
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« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2012, 01:30:43 AM » |
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Hmm Chris, Tea and Crumpets and Sweet Caramel do look a lot alike. I find it hard to tell which this plant may be. Charlie, the first two photos are from earlier this spring; the nights were in the 50s and days were in the mid to high 70s. I didn't see this plant bloom over winter. It does grow pretty vigorously, and seems to root VERY well. All of the cuttings I took from it last year rooted very quickly.
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« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2012, 08:22:53 AM » |
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2 dimension photos can make it harder to id 3 dimensional flowers - Tea and Crumpets, one of my favorite browns, opens flatter and is larger than these others, often reaching 8 inches. Tea and Crumpets is not as good a rooter as Sweet Caramel which is why we haven't had more of it. Hard to get all the desirable qualities into one variety!
Charlie
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« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2012, 10:47:37 AM » |
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It may in fact be Sweet Caramel then. These flowers haven't been quite so big and aren't very flat. It is a very pretty flower, though, and has a great bush.
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« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2012, 11:54:38 AM » |
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So of course this plant heard me talking about it. She bloomed today with more of a red hue than I have seen thus far. What do you think, Charlie? Do you have more photos of either cv? What a pretty bloom I had today. I'm still leaning towards Sweet Caramel. No purple highlights to speak of and she's still not nearly as red as the Carnelian photo.
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« Reply #14 on: July 13, 2012, 06:54:13 AM » |
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Oohhh! It is very pretty! Cant wait to find out what it is!
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-Kristen
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