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« on: June 25, 2009, 12:07:41 PM » |
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Charles , I remember this cultivar on your website a long time ago. Was this cultivar hybridized by you ?
if not do you know who the parents where ?
I am just gathering info for my future plans
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« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2009, 04:42:36 PM » |
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Hi Kerry, I'm pretty sure Georgia's Pearl is a Barry Schleuter hybrid (along with your heartbreak hotel) I think one the parents was crimson ray, but I am not totally sure. Im sure that Charlie knows  |
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« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2009, 08:18:25 PM » |
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The records say that Georgia's Pearl is Wallflower x Lucille but I have doubts that this is accurate. There are hundreds of offspring of Georgia's Pearl existing around the world and few to none show any of the traits of Wallfower, a small but distinctive brown with a lavender ring around the eye that often passes one or more of those traits to its offspring. I have yet to see a G Pearl offspring that shows these, unless the other parent was a brown.
Another theory is that the cross was Wally's Yellow x Lucille. This is feasible because the records show that B Schlueter registered some offspring of Wally's Yellow at about the same time as Georgia's Pearl which means he was using Wally's Yellow at the time. If you survey the many offspring of G Pearl you will see how dominant the yellow color is with G Pearl crosses. Lucille is a tannish yellow, not very bright but Wally's Yellow is a strong bright yellow.
Now, once you have hybridized for awhile you know how many things can happen to confuse the parentage. In this case I suspect a partly faded tag or quite likely an abbreviated name as Wallflower and Wally's Yellow could easily be confused. Barry has always used young student age assistants to help out and that could also bring about an unintended error.
I only bother to speculate about this due to the popularity of Georgia's Pearl in hybridizing. That does not seem to be happening as much any longer but for awhile it was used a great deal and it's offspring will be around and some of them will be used in further hybridizing. Three crosses of mine come to mind that involved G Pearl and that I am still growing - Heaven Scent, Pina Colada, and Monte Carlo - 3 yellows without a hint of brown or a lavender ring or the type of bush that Wallflower has.
I once mentioned this "theory" to Barry and he bristled something to the effect that he never made a mistake but hey can anybody really ever say that about anything they do?
Show me traits of Wallflower in G Pearl seedlings and I will reconsider. Wallflower has a unique very upright bush, unique coloring and passes those traits regularly. You do not find them in G Pearl offspring but you do find a lot of yellows as would be expected if the cross was with Wally's Yellow rather than Wallflower. In searching the hibiscus nomenclature for G Pearl offspring i find mostly yellows and the few brown flowers that show as offspring had either a parent or grandparent that was a brown on the other side of the cross.
Well, it's just a theory but it's worth keeping in mind if you hybridize with G Pearl or one of its offspring.
Charlie
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« Reply #3 on: June 25, 2009, 10:49:42 PM » |
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Well you can't argue with the data. If you fail to see traits passed on in hundreds of offspring, logic would tell you that is not the parent. Perhaps someday the technology will exist that will allow us to determine parentage of cvs on a molecular level, similar to what they can do with mixed breed dogs, then we would know for sure. I like alot of B. Schleuter's flowers, but am wary that his standards are too lax when it comes to bush and flower color retention and therefore don't have any of his hybrids anymore. I had a large 'enlightenment' last year which had nice flowers, but the bush was not lush and it was more like a garden variety. The flowers also never reached more than 5 inches across (at least in my conditions). I ordered a rainbow sherbet before buying 'enlightenment' and although the flower color scheme is very similar, rainbow sherbet had a much more beautiful bush and larger more vibrant blooms, with better texture. Unfortunately i've become accustom to your high standards, and other hybrids (although having stunning flowers) come up short.  The only B. Schleuter CV I am currently interested in is 'campfire girl' because in my research it seems that it stays small and blooms alot. Which would be ideal, as I am running out of space for my plants. I also really like the color of the blooms, perhaps you have a look-alike in the works? Heres a picture I found on the web |
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« Reply #4 on: June 26, 2009, 09:53:44 AM » |
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Well you can't argue with the data. If you fail to see traits passed on in hundreds of offspring, logic would tell you that is not the parent. Perhaps someday the technology will exist that will allow us to determine parentage of cvs on a molecular level, similar to what they can do with mixed breed dogs, then we would know for sure. I like alot of B. Schleuter's flowers, but am wary that his standards are too lax when it comes to bush and flower color retention and therefore don't have any of his hybrids anymore. I had a large 'enlightenment' last year which had nice flowers, but the bush was not lush and it was more like a garden variety. The flowers also never reached more than 5 inches across (at least in my conditions). I ordered a rainbow sherbet before buying 'enlightenment' and although the flower color scheme is very similar, rainbow sherbet had a much more beautiful bush and larger more vibrant blooms, with better texture. Unfortunately i've become accustom to your high standards, and other hybrids (although having stunning flowers) come up short. The only B. Schleuter CV I am currently interested in is 'campfire girl' because in my research it seems that it stays small and blooms alot. Which would be ideal, as I am running out of space for my plants. I also really like the color of the blooms, perhaps you have a look-alike in the works? Heres a picture I found on the web Charles thanks for the info , I have seen several Georgia's Pearl crosses and I never seen brown like you stated not unless the other parent was brown. I was on Richard Johnsons website looking at his seedlings. I agree with you Chris I like Charles high breeding standards it really does make a difference when I research about other cultivars from other breeders. I only have Heartbreak hotel and only have it since HVH sells it. There is another cultivar from barry I do want because everyone is raving about it. I like campfire girl also ! I read good things about them. But I notice a lot of people say his cultivars are slow growing which , I rather have a fast growing plant. I am please with the heart break hotel the bush is good and it does bloom a lot. I have seedlings from barry which include Georgia's Pearl x butter pecan leprechaun x collectible Orange mocha x Barry S Guinevere x halloween party orange mocha x hitchcock |
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« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2009, 02:50:04 PM » |
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quoting myself forgot to add , do you think brown is a recessive gene ? maybe this is why we haven't seen a lot of browns out of Georgia's pearl what do you think ? |
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« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2009, 07:13:42 AM » |
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Hi Kerry,
The link did not take me to any specific varieties. I'd like to see which ones you found. All the ones I found had a "brown" in previous generations which might not have been obvious to you if you were not familiar with the parents, grandparents, etc. Anyway, if you recall the names of the ones you mentioned I will check them out.
Thanks,
Charlie
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« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2009, 09:11:49 AM » |
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Hi Kerry,
The link did not take me to any specific varieties. I'd like to see which ones you found. All the ones I found had a "brown" in previous generations which might not have been obvious to you if you were not familiar with the parents, grandparents, etc. Anyway, if you recall the names of the ones you mentioned I will check them out.
Thanks,
Charlie
Hey Charlie , Sorry about that I posted wrong link Look up Tahitian Brown Mirage , and Tahitian Brown Star |
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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2009, 08:05:20 PM » |
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Hi Kerry,
These are both examples of crossing Georgia's Pearl with another variety that IS a carrier of the brown genes. In both these cases the cross was the same - Georgia's Pearl x Gabriel. The photo of Gabriel that is in the IHS archive is of a completely faded bloom so I am posting another showing it only partially faded. The newly opened bloom has good dark colors but it fades quickly so the medium faded one attached perhaps shows what people usually see.
Anyway, I still have not found any G Pearl offspring that are brown where the other side of the cross was not a brown gene carrier - as in these cases with Gabriel. BTW, Gabriel has been used to make several other good brown flowers.
Charlie
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« Reply #10 on: July 05, 2009, 09:37:14 AM » |
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Hi Kerry,
These are both examples of crossing Georgia's Pearl with another variety that IS a carrier of the brown genes. In both these cases the cross was the same - Georgia's Pearl x Gabriel. The photo of Gabriel that is in the IHS archive is of a completely faded bloom so I am posting another showing it only partially faded. The newly opened bloom has good dark colors but it fades quickly so the medium faded one attached perhaps shows what people usually see.
Anyway, I still have not found any G Pearl offspring that are brown where the other side of the cross was not a brown gene carrier - as in these cases with Gabriel. BTW, Gabriel has been used to make several other good brown flowers.
Charlie
Thanks Charlie , I did not know Gabriel Carried brown. |
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« Reply #11 on: July 06, 2009, 03:01:47 PM » |
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I understand what you are saying Chris, I was at the armstrong nursery and saw some very weird looking house plants. They had glitter coloring. I would love to see that under a mircoscope and see what is making it looked glitter.
I was lost with your post because I did not see where ghost came in at. Where is a picture of ghost ?
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