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Author Topic: Raised black spots on leaf undersides continues  (Read 12920 times)
roadrunner

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SE Arizona


« on: July 17, 2013, 09:55:50 AM »

Is anyone else still having this problem and did we ever come to a concensus on just what it is?  These are not the fungus black spots discussed in the care section of this website.  These are only on the undersides of the leaves unlike the fungus spots pictured in the care section.  The affliction spreads at a steady pace usually moving from the bottom leaves toward the top.  It is a year round problem.  I keep wondering if it is connected to microscopic mites of some type, not the spider mites I've seen around here for years.  Those and their webs are easy to spot.  These are hard to find even with a lighted loop. These mites appear to have developed resistance to Kontos as I've had numerous outbreaks even though the collection has been on the higher concentration of Kontos two sometimes three times per week since last September.  Nothing seems to control the black spots which I'm wondering if it's a virus?  Plants eventually get weak, go into decline, struggle for about a year, and die.  The problem is worse on plants in the house and greenhouse, not so prevalent on plants summered out in the garden, but it's showing up there too.  I'm losing about 15 plants a year because of it and frankly I'm starting to consider sending my complete collection (100 plants) to the landfill and stick with roses and daylilies.  This is becoming overwhelming.  I started growing these exotic hibs in 2004 and didn't see this problem til maybe 3 years ago.  Then I only had aphids to deal with, the good old days.

dave  Angry


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Dave N.
helixturnhelix
Seattle, WA

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« Reply #1 on: July 17, 2013, 05:50:02 PM »

Hey Dave,

Sorry to hear that you are having this problem, I too have experienced some of these werid raised black spots on my plants from time to time.  I think that it is a bacterial or fungal problem related to poor air circulation.  I have found that adding a fan or two to the grow area helps keep this at bay.  Another problem it could be is erinose mites, which I think are much worse than regular spider mites. 

The best remedy I have come up with is just removing any leaves that are showing signs of the black spotting and making sure that you wash your hands in between plants.  It is very frustrating and have thought about giving up a few times as well.  I have significantly downsized my collection and its becoming a case of survival of the fittest.  Keeping the ones that are resistant and letting the more delicate ones go.

Good luck!
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roadrunner

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SE Arizona


« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2013, 04:16:49 PM »

Hi Chris,

I've tried fans in the house with essentially no success.  I have a box fan running in the greenhouse during hotter days and the storm door at the far end has a window I keep open so it's well ventilated.  I don't think it's erinose mites as there are no galls on the leaves.  I'm sure it isn't spider mites, something I've had to deal with from time to time. These things are tiny and are an absolute pain.  I also hand pick leaves as soon as I see any black spots or for that matter the little pin prick spots on the leaves or another symptom, little glistening spots on the leaf undersides.  A few days after the glistening spots the other symptoms start to show up. I assume those glistening spots are where mites have been feeding.  I'm also seeing something that appears to be chlorosis of some type until I take a closer look.  It looks like hundreds of tiny yellowish spots.  I suppose that is from colonies of those mites feeding.  Whatever it is, it doesn't respond to iron chelate or fulmag magnesium.  Guess I'll keep plugging away but am probably headed toward downsizing as well.  I actually never intended to have any more than 25 of these addicting beauties.  Should I hold Charlie partially to blame for continuing to create so many incredible cultivars?    LOL!!!!

dave
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