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« on: February 13, 2011, 01:20:22 PM » |
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Today I was happy to find 3 new first flowers on seedling plants that were potted up too late in 2010 to bloom before winter set in.
10-0822 Mountain Air x Creme de Cacao. Pretty colors, only a 6 inch flower but with 1 parent that is often 8 inches I am hoping to see a size increase in summer.
10-0919 same cross as above but this time Creme de Cacao was the pod parent and Mtn Air the pollen parent. Nice colors again and again a 6 inch flower with potential for being larger in summer.
10-1406 Saffron x Vin Extraordinaire yielded a color close to that of Cindy's Heart. Again a smallish flower but Saffron could easily boost this one to bigger size in summer.
By the way, for those new to hybridizing, crosses are commonly shown with the pod parent first, followed by the pollen parent with the X meaning "by". The pod parent makes the seeds, the pollen parent contributes the pollen. The pod parent contributes half the genes and the pollen parent half the genes to the new seedling which is genetically unique.
Click on the photos below to see the full size photo of each of these seedling flowers.
Charlie
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helixturnhelix
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« Reply #1 on: February 13, 2011, 05:46:56 PM » |
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I guess the nice February weather is starting seedling season early!
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Charlie
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« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2011, 07:56:45 PM » |
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That's true. Lots of bright sun in southern California and nights in the 40's so not bad at all for Feb.
Charlie
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blupit007
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« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2011, 08:32:02 PM » |
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By the way, for those new to hybridizing, crosses are commonly shown with the pod parent first, followed by the pollen parent with the X meaning "by". The pod parent makes the seeds, the pollen parent contributes the pollen. The pod parent contributes half the genes and the pollen parent half the genes to the new seedling which is genetically unique.
Charlie
charlie, i thought the mother came last?? if thats the case, the seeds i sent you are backwards! |
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-Kristen
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blupit007
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« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2011, 08:32:31 PM » |
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nice new blooms BTW!
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-Kristen
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Darkhorse
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« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2011, 10:23:24 PM » |
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Yes, that has confused me too. With horses (and other animals I'm assuming) we do sire x dam. With hibs, is the pod parent listed first and pollen parent second?
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"They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night." -Edgar Allan Poe
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Charlie
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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2011, 07:14:56 AM » |
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Yep, to confirm, the format with hibiscus crosses is pod x pollen. When you read "x" as "by" doesn't it just sort of make sense that the pod (seed bearing) parent comes first? No doubt there is a reason for whatever the tradition is among breeders of different species but this is the tradition with hibiscus.
Charlie
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Nievesgirl
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« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2011, 02:58:16 PM » |
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I really like the second bloom ! very nice
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Darkhorse
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« Reply #8 on: February 15, 2011, 12:56:02 AM » |
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Charlie, now the x = "by" makes sense. I too like the second photo the best out of the three.  |
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"They who dream by day are cognizant of many things which escape those who dream only by night." -Edgar Allan Poe
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farmer d
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« Reply #9 on: February 15, 2011, 01:10:16 AM » |
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The Saffron x Vin Ext has a color that jumps out at you. If that can gain some size in summer that would be a great bloom.
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blupit007
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« Reply #10 on: February 15, 2011, 05:41:46 AM » |
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I think the first one has the potential to be banded, right Charlie? Looks like a red eye, then purple, then pink skirt? Really pretty. I also like the hot'ness of the third.
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-Kristen
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Charlie
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« Reply #11 on: February 20, 2011, 08:49:23 AM » |
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Yes, the potential is there for bands of color. I hope summer conditions improve the flower but you know how variable they are so we just have to wait and see.
I've had a run of "duds" in the last few weeks of first seedling blooms in winter. Before I throw them out I like to wait to see at least 1 summer bloom because I've seen the flowers change a lot as conditions change. Mostly, the duds will stay duds but I'd hate throw out something that is excellent once summer arrives.
Charlie
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helixturnhelix
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« Reply #12 on: February 23, 2011, 01:11:44 AM » |
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Hi Charlie, What type of flower do you consider a dud? Is it just uninteresting, poor form, or color? It would be interesting to hear how you evaluate seedlings. (hopefully my seedlings werent the duds.  ) It looks like bad weather in So Cal, slowing down the seedlings I bet. Awful weather here, snow expected the next three days, which is pretty unusual for this time of year. |
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Charlie
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« Reply #13 on: February 23, 2011, 06:20:05 AM » |
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Good question, Chris. Hybridizing results in a larger number of inferior plant/flowers than it does exciting new ones. I'll start taking photos of some of these and post them with comments on why they don't make the grade.
Charlie
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helixturnhelix
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« Reply #14 on: February 23, 2011, 10:35:54 AM » |
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That would be really interesting to see how you evaluate! I hope the move went well, hopefully Cindy isn't too sad about leaving some of her babies behind  ha ha |
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