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Author Topic: DESPERATE FOR HELP, Blisters and/or Black spots on the underside of leaves  (Read 5268 times)
davidwood
David In Nha Trang Vietnam

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« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2011, 04:45:51 AM »

Bart, if it helps email me the pictures dvd.wood@yahoo.com and I will put them on the Forum. That white mildew/moldy looking stuff is most probably mealy-bugs, we will see.
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Charlie
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« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2011, 08:55:38 AM »

Bart, you may have more than one thing going on, which would be typical. But, dealing with the "things" that are on the leaves and can be removed should be a first step.

As I explained before, scale and mealy bugs resist sprays by building a protective coat over themselves. There are only 4 ways to get to them that I have found. First is to use a systemic pesticide. This is NOT sprayed. You have to apply it to the soil where it enters into the plant and circulates through the plant. When the insect feeds on plant juices it takes in the systemic pesticide and is killed. Safari or Bayers Tree and Shrub are what you need to try. I recommend Safari because it does not stimulate spider mite egg laying the way the imidacloprid in Bayers does. Use it at the highest rate recommended on the label.

The second way to deal with these insects that are protected by armor is to suffocate them by covering them with horticultural oil that is not diluted. Use a paint brush or a small spray bottle to apply the oil straight out of the bottle. BUT, the oil can damage the leaves if sprayed the normal way. You have to apply the oil only to the insects and not cover the leaves with it. Works best with snow scale that live mostly on the woody stems that are not damaged by the oil.

The third way is to use a Limonene spray. This stuff is derived from the peels of citrus fruit and is a powerful cleaner and degreaser. But, at the right dose it is also an excellent insecticide. When sprayed on a mealybug you can watch the armor melt right in front of your eyes. I've only had one outbreak of mealybug and it was spreading rapidly until I used limonene to stop it cold. No mealies since. It may not work as well on scale but I can't say because I haven't had any scale other than Florida Snow Scale and I kill them with undiluted horticultural oil.

If I was in your situation I would apply Safari to the soil of all my pots and then spray the leaves with limonene (careful you get a correctly diluted dose or you could kill all the plants). Forget the other sprays you mentioned, they are worthless against adult mealies and scale. Here is the page for more info on limonene. http://www.hiddenvalleynaturearts.com/acatalog/limonene.htm

The flying dust particles you mention are just that. Insects leave waste and shed outer bodies as they mature and these dry up and stay on leaves until the leaves are disturbed. As long as the "dust" settles and does not actually fly about it's nothing to worry about.

Good luck!

Charlie
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Bart

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« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2011, 01:52:37 PM »

Thanks David for offering your help. I just tried the iPad and it doesn't work so I have the laptop out now. I am just astonished at the amount of people who are sincerely trying to help me here and I owe everyone, and my plants, all the information I can provide. I am giving this another try on my laptop. the only issue I may run into is downsizing the size of the pics; we'll see. 

When I got home last night after 4 days away, there wasn't a doubt that I would find various looking issues as I alway do when no one is taking the leaves before the insect/fungi/bacteria/whatever engulfs the leaf. Over the next few post from me, I will attempt to add pics of some of the different things I've seen and still see. Hopefully this process might help me to eliminate the easier issues leaving the more difficult for last. I am just praying I don't have something systemic and I end up burying all my plants just to begin all over again. 

Bart


* Lots of Black on back of leaves.JPG (57.36 KB, 400x300 - viewed 80 times.)

* Paom Springs white and black spots resized.JPG (49.71 KB, 448x336 - viewed 81 times.)
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Bart

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« Reply #48 on: February 12, 2011, 03:55:41 PM »

OK Guys,
I think I have figured it out. Now I am going to try and choose a variety of pictures that will hopefully give you guys some kind of idea of my woes. I came very close of throwing all my plants away 2 weeks ago as I am spending all my time with them tying to just keep the bad leaves off the plants and re-potting clones of which most likely have the same disease, if this is disease, all the mother plants have.  What a mess-smile.

Please allow me a couple of hours as I need to go see my new grand-baby prior to getting wrapped up into my gardening, which I have a habit of doing.  What a great bunch of people on this forum. Charlie, you have some great friends!

Bart


* How it began-hot humid summer-not an Exotic.JPG (39.1 KB, 400x300 - viewed 67 times.)

* White spots.jpg (32.65 KB, 314x235 - viewed 78 times.)

* Hot Pepper getting the disease.JPG (57.88 KB, 300x400 - viewed 78 times.)

* Green Spots in Creole Lady.JPG (49.08 KB, 400x300 - viewed 68 times.)
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Darkhorse

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« Reply #49 on: February 12, 2011, 09:53:42 PM »

Oh boy those spots... at least the black ones... look familiar.  Bart, do you have a smaller plant that you could isolate and pick off every single spotted leaf that pops up?  If you could quarantine this plant, and see if the leaf picking works for you... I say this because that's what I'm doing right now with my mystery cv.  It seems that new leaves aren't "born" with the spots.  If your plants have the same problem as mine, it might work.  Again from what I've read leaf diseases usually aren't systemic; they're normally spread by pest vectors--  spider mites in my situation.  So far the leaf picking is working with the mystery cv and none of the new leaves are coming up with spots.
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