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« on: July 22, 2009, 09:45:27 PM » |
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What are some Cv's are the darkest of the browns ? I have voodoo and its pretty dark but ,I am not sure what it will produce for me.
A lot of people say get topaz glory but I have read that its not a good bush.
I see trends with hibiscus just like trends with breeding dogs. The winners are bred a lot and create a smaller gene pool since everyone has to have that cv's qualities. I hope that makes since. Any ways what are some other cv's know for producing browns
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« Reply #1 on: July 22, 2009, 10:04:27 PM » |
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Couldn't agree more, I think that is part of the reason it is good to find those cvs that have genes from the original hibiscus species. I think orville davis can produce some dark offspring. Also wallflower is supposed to be a good brown. I still like creme de cacao  |
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« Reply #2 on: July 22, 2009, 10:17:00 PM » |
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Couldn't agree more, I think that is part of the reason it is good to find those cvs that have genes from the original hibiscus species. I think orville davis can produce some dark offspring. Also wallflower is supposed to be a good brown. I still like creme de cacao I forgot you mention this cv , do you have more pictures of it ? off to look at it on HVH |
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« Reply #3 on: July 22, 2009, 10:22:12 PM » |
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I will take some pics the next time I go and see the bush (its not my plant), it is really nice. I took some cuttings so hopefully I will have my own soon  . |
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Nievesgirl
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2009, 10:27:59 PM » |
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cool , I looked at it and I need something darker , voo doo is darker than that.
I am getting some seeds with wallflower in its back ground maybe I could just used these seedlings on voo doo ?
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2009, 12:25:06 AM » |
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If you're looking to produce some dark browns you could try Gabriel, too. We already know it can have dark offspring from VM.
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« Reply #6 on: July 23, 2009, 08:04:55 AM » |
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Thats a good thought Jordan. Looking into VM, Gabriel is kinda a orange blue bloom, and renaissance blue is a blue one. Together the make brown. Maybe you should try crossing a blue and orange to see what happens. I think that moonmadness can also produce offspring that are brown.
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2009, 09:23:42 AM » |
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Tigerama has been used to make a lot of good quality browns. It's offspring do not root as well as I want so I don't use it that often but I've seen photos of some good ones come out of it. Voodoo Magic is not a good seed setter but you can get pollen from it when conditions are right. Geronimo is a good seed setter, something I only found out this year. I have some seeds growing from it that could be dark. I've grown a lot of seeds that had Orville Davis, Wallflower, Misfire, Topaz Glory in them and hope we can do better in the future.
Another way to go would be to cross Black Dragon with browns and see if it darkens them.
Below is a new photo of Burnt Saffron, which is the result of crossing the bright orange of Saffron with Black Dragon. Not a brown per se, but it shows how the darkening sometimes works.
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2009, 11:03:16 AM » |
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Burn Saffron looks really cool, I think it was featured in one of your newsletters. Is it temperamental like Black dragon or more vigorous? Looking back at that newsletter is 08-0136 the same cv as denim revolution? Always enjoy seeing pics of the new seedlings |
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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2009, 11:23:47 AM » |
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I too remember Burnt Saffron from the newsletter. It's another one on my list if it passes your tests.
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2009, 12:04:06 PM » |
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I will probably try dragon's heart on voodoo and see what I get.
I seen a lot of tigerama seedlings but have not seen a lot of browns ( using the IHS search) , I have 4 seedlings growing from a devil's eye x blue bayou cross. So I could probably use one to get some browns too.
I forgot I mentioned getting Campfire girl I can not wait for it. I should have it in Sept.
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2009, 04:03:00 PM » |
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Kerry, that's what I mean about the backlog of registrations - a great many new cvs are not registered yet because most of the Americans refuse to register with the Australian database (which is where the IHS gets their info). I finally gave up on the American one and started registering with the Au one but only got about half the new ones registered there so far. So when the American people contacted me last week I thought, finally, we may get somewhere soon. I'm sure hundreds of new cvs (up to 1000?) will be registered with the American database when it is finally active again. You are not finding them now which is why the Tigerama search did not yield anything in browns.
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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2009, 04:06:15 PM » |
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Chris,
I don't know about Burnt Saffron yet. I have a few 8 inch pots of it growing for evaluation but they are among many others at the moment. When they start blooming I will spot them again and take a good look. Yes, Blue Denim is 08-0136. A similar one is 08-0131 but it does not set seed so is not given much attention yet.
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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2009, 04:20:08 PM » |
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Kerry, that's what I mean about the backlog of registrations - a great many new cvs are not registered yet because most of the Americans refuse to register with the Australian database (which is where the IHS gets their info). I finally gave up on the American one and started registering with the Au one but only got about half the new ones registered there so far. So when the American people contacted me last week I thought, finally, we may get somewhere soon. I'm sure hundreds of new cvs (up to 1000?) will be registered with the American database when it is finally active again. You are not finding them now which is why the Tigerama search did not yield anything in browns.
Charlie
That makes sense, I do know that the HIS data base is not updated at all I have found some info on there that was wrong, I have also found wrong pictures placed. So the AHS has a data base like the IHS ? I hope they get it up soon I would love to see newer Cv’s |
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« Reply #14 on: July 23, 2009, 04:29:18 PM » |
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I believe renaissance blue is the cv making dark brown also because look at voo doo and look at black cherry !
I am on the waiting list for it so hopefully it comes out soon !
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