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Nievesgirl
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« on: July 21, 2009, 11:05:51 AM » |
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How big does a plant have to be to graft other cuttings onto it? (Charlie is the pride of Hawkins 6” pot plant big enough ?) I have never grafted before but I have seen many pictorial directions online. I think I might have to start grafting cv's onto other cv's to save space  |
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Nievesgirl
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« Reply #1 on: July 21, 2009, 11:06:59 AM » |
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Forgot to add, My heart break hotel is very big and I think I can put at least 2-3 grafts on it.
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« Reply #2 on: July 21, 2009, 12:37:11 PM » |
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Hi Kerry, I think thats a good idea! If you look under the worldwide part of the website there is a guy in laguna beach who has a small yard so he grafted a bunch of varieties on his bushes in the ground. The only problem that I can see with this is whether or not a potted plant can support a bunch or grafts ( I dont really think that this is a big issue) and if you have 1 plant get sick whether it be wilt disease or whatever, you will lose 5 varieties instead of one  Having said that I would be really interested in seeing a big potted plant with 5 or 6 different varieties on it! I think that if you wanted to save a bit of money, pretty much all the garden varieties have strong root systems. So you could experiment with getting a Brilliant or President from somewhere like home depot for 4 bucks and try ur hand at grafting on that before trying it on a pride of hankins plant or even one of your other exotics. Anyway thats what I would probably do if I wanted to practice grafting and haven't done it before. Look forward to seeing how it turns out! -Chris |
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Nievesgirl
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« Reply #3 on: July 21, 2009, 01:46:51 PM » |
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Hi Kerry, I think thats a good idea! If you look under the worldwide part of the website there is a guy in laguna beach who has a small yard so he grafted a bunch of varieties on his bushes in the ground. The only problem that I can see with this is whether or not a potted plant can support a bunch or grafts ( I dont really think that this is a big issue) and if you have 1 plant get sick whether it be wilt disease or whatever, you will lose 5 varieties instead of one Having said that I would be really interested in seeing a big potted plant with 5 or 6 different varieties on it! I think that if you wanted to save a bit of money, pretty much all the garden varieties have strong root systems. So you could experiment with getting a Brilliant or President from somewhere like home depot for 4 bucks and try ur hand at grafting on that before trying it on a pride of hankins plant or even one of your other exotics. Anyway thats what I would probably do if I wanted to practice grafting and haven't done it before. Look forward to seeing how it turns out!
-Chris Great IDEA Chris , I think I will try that ! I have so many hibiscus varieties around my neighborhood I can cut and practice on them. I agree about if the hibiscus gets sick I would loose a few cv's this is what scares me but I am confident enough that this should not happen. I will keep you posted , I might go to Home depot after work and see what they have available. |
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« Reply #4 on: July 22, 2009, 07:10:09 AM » |
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Hi, Nievesgirl,
I have done a lot of grafting. The best results I achieve when I graft only one cutting to one, one year old rootstock (I make rootstock of Albo Lacinatus or single red Cooperii). It is important that rootstock plant is a strong one, and has a strong root system.
Grafting several varieties onto one plant can be done, but I do not like the effect, for me it looks so artificial, because not only colors of blooms are different, but the leaves are different (some are glossy, some mat, some are small, some big, etc). But, this is the matter of taste, of course. The real problem lies in the fact that different varieties grow differently, and some are stronger, some weaker, so the stronger ones suffocate easily the weaker ones, and soon you have a plant whose one branch is extra long and strong and another one is very stunted...too bad. You need a lot of knowledge about different cultivars and their growing habits to be able to make a beautiful multicolored plant, that will stay in equilibrium all the time.
If you begin grafting, I really recommend you grow some small plants made of a strong garden variety, and you graft on them. The graft takes more easily if there is only one graft to take all the sap from the plant.
ciao
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« Reply #5 on: July 23, 2009, 08:28:03 AM » |
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As Nina described, it is not easy to find compatible varieties to graft onto one plant. Before I obtained Pride of Hankins and Albo to use for rootstock, we used the local red garden varieties and also Kona which was available as cuttings from a big tree I knew about. You can graft onto a cutting, too, and then root it at the same time the graft is healing. This is called stenting and is a technique developed for roses. It works but is less reliable than grafting onto a strong, well established plant that is a year or two old. At HVH all our grafting was with stents when we were selling wholesale in large numbers to other growers. It was the only way we could do 100,000 grafts per year. Now I prefer grafting onto established plants because I only do it when I have a problem with a variety or want to grow one that is difficult to succeed with.
Charlie
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« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2011, 06:00:41 AM » |
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I GOT ONE TO LIVE!!!!! I am so excited! I have made about 10 attempts on grafting so far and none have worked. Well I got a Silver Memories from a dear friend and grafted it to POH on 6/23/11 and it now has about 5-6 new healthy leaves. My question is, up until this morning, I just put a zip lock bag over the top and made a real nice seal. I left it under my seedling light indoors and just forgot about it (so to speak) until today. I took the bag off to remove a rotting leaf that fell off. It looks real good.
My question is, when is it safe to remove the bag from over it? I don't want to kill it after getting one so successful. It looks like little gnats may have gotten into the bag and damaged 2 of the teeny tiny new leaves.... but there is a nice 2" leaf on top that wasn't there when I made the graft. I know because I make sure I cut each existing leaf as I am sticking my cuttings or making my grafts to keep track.
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Charlie
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« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2011, 08:57:05 AM » |
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That's always the million dollar question, Kristen. It has to come off sometime and there is always the possibility that some disease will start rotting it if left too long in high humidity with low air circulation. OTOH, if you remove it too soon it can die very quickly if there is not sufficient healing so that water can flow in adequate quantity to the scion.
From what you describe it is probably ready to come off. However, don't put it in direct sunlight yet and watch it very closely if possible. At the slightest sign of wilt or soft leaves put the bag back on. Once you know how things work in your situation you will be able to do this with less stress than the first time!
Good luck,
Charlie
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« Reply #8 on: August 23, 2011, 06:41:07 PM » |
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ok thanks Charlie. I will take it off and leave it under the grow lights and keep a good eye on it. Thanks!
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Charlie
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« Reply #9 on: August 31, 2011, 05:01:31 AM » |
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So, it's a week later, Kristen. What happened? I hope you didn't have to run for high ground after Irene passed by. Let us know how you're doing when you get a chance.
Charlie
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