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« on: July 14, 2009, 01:53:20 PM » |
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Hi Charlie (and all),
I've been wanting one of these two varieties for some time, and Kerry's pictures have gotten me even more interested in getting one of these two! Charlie, I know you mentioned you mostly use Midnight Blue for hybridizing; which of these two cvs do you recommend and why? Anybody else have experiences to share with either cv?
Thanks!
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Nievesgirl
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« Reply #2 on: July 14, 2009, 02:38:24 PM » |
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Nievesgirl
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« Reply #3 on: July 14, 2009, 02:39:11 PM » |
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Darkhorse
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« Reply #4 on: July 14, 2009, 03:34:27 PM » |
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Wow it does look just like it!
I wonder if it has an improved bush, growth habit, etc.
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Charlie
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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2009, 08:09:15 AM » |
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Nightfire has a pretty, upright bush and bright, well shaped flowers. Midnight Blue has a sprawling bush with excellent flowers. Both of them set seed and both have made offspring that are quite attractive. HOWEVER, several hybridizers have found that many of the offspring of Nightfire last for only 1 day or even less. This is a huge drawback to me so I much prefer Midnight Blue. I am trying to move beyond Midnight Blue by using those of her offspring that have better bushes in hybridizing.
Just for growing pleasure both are great. Midnight Blue opens more flowers for me, but Nightfire has a more attractive bush and holds all the flowers upright.
I've not yet seen Bayou Irene in real life but it looks to be a very similar flower that does not come from either Midnight Blue or Nightfire. Irene Collins is a very upright and excellent double flowered variety, but the hybridizer says this new one is "low growing". It's not clear if that means slow growing or sprawling.
Charlie
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Darkhorse
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« Reply #6 on: July 21, 2009, 09:22:21 PM » |
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Charlie are you propigating any Nightfire for the public?
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Charlie
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« Reply #7 on: July 23, 2009, 07:15:07 AM » |
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Yes. I think there are some small plants in 4 inch pots now. Not big enough to ship, I think, but coming.
Charlie
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« Reply #8 on: July 23, 2009, 07:42:14 AM » |
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Charlie, a quick question about Nightfire. You mention its offspring have blooms that last only one day or even less. How long do its blooms last?
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dave
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Nievesgirl
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« Reply #9 on: July 23, 2009, 08:11:36 AM » |
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Charlie, a quick question about Nightfire. You mention its offspring have blooms that last only one day or even less. How long do its blooms last?
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dave
It only lasts a day also. |
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Charlie
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« Reply #10 on: July 23, 2009, 09:34:16 AM » |
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Yep, it's a bad trait but a very striking flower.......
Charlie
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« Reply #11 on: July 23, 2009, 10:08:17 AM » |
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Thanks, a very striking flower for even one day is worth it. Fading badly or closing early in the day would be a problem.
dave
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« Reply #12 on: July 23, 2009, 11:17:40 AM » |
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I agree with Dave. Some of the varieties that fade but stay open for several days, I'd rather them just close after day one so I don't have to stare at a faded flower for two more days.
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« Reply #13 on: July 23, 2009, 03:55:17 PM » |
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A Nightfire offspring I like bloomed today, twas a cross with Ice Storm. It's larger then Nightfire at 6 inches and has good color, but the first few blooms have all closed before sundown the first day. Here's a photo.
Charlie
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Nievesgirl
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« Reply #14 on: July 27, 2009, 08:05:41 AM » |
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That is a nice seedling !
I am hating my nightfire ! its just a nice lush bush , slow growing indeed ! I see no new buds at all. i think I will use it for a few crosses and find it a home later. I might have to try to get bayou Irene. I need to find out if this cv grows faster than nightfire.
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Charlie
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« Reply #15 on: July 27, 2009, 01:34:03 PM » |
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Nightfire has its drawbacks for sure but flower color is not one of them. I finally have a Nightfire offspring that does not close early, or at least one flower of it stayed open for 2 days. This seedling is in the hottest part of the greenhouse where the heat cannot escape easily. I saw the flower the other day but did not have a camera so no photo of the fresh bloom. The color was so nice that I marked the plant and the following day went back to it and saw that the bloom, though showing some heat stress, was still open toward the end of the second day. I hope that is typical for this flower since it is a pretty one. Below is the photo. It is Nightfire x Ice Storm.
Charlie
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« Reply #16 on: August 07, 2009, 12:18:45 PM » |
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I asked Annelle cox about Bayou Irene and she told me it is a better cv than nightfire . She said it grows faster and is more vigorous than night fire ,upright and it blooms good in cooler weather. I do not know how long the blooms last I just asked her about that.
My nightfire is finally coming around , I think the lack fertilizer for the first month I had it did not help it at all. I been giving it the special blend and supernova and now buds are forming , I have lots of new growth at the top too.
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« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2009, 09:00:50 AM » |
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look how lush the bush is with no blooms lol I have some new buds forming I think the supernova is working on this cv.  |
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Charlie
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« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2009, 09:08:08 AM » |
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Had any flowers on it yet? Nice bush!
Charlie
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« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2009, 09:12:01 AM » |
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Had any flowers on it yet? Nice bush!
Charlie
I had one bloom on it so far and that was it. I moved it to the sunniest spot on my balcony like Chris suggested i think it is doing a lot better there. |
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« Reply #20 on: June 21, 2010, 07:26:50 PM » |
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Hey Charlie, You show two pics of Nightfire seedlings in this thread both crossed to Icestorm. Are either of these My Blue Heaven? Just kinda curious  |
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Charlie
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« Reply #21 on: June 22, 2010, 06:57:23 AM » |
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Chris, the first one shown is My Blue Heaven. The second one I'd forgotten about altogether which probably means it did not root. The original should bloom again this summer and it looks like it's worth a second try. My Blue Heaven is a 1 day bloom in hot weather but I've seen it last longer in spring and fall. It grows into a very pretty bush, too.
Charlie
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« Reply #22 on: June 22, 2010, 03:39:08 PM » |
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Hi Charlie,
Thanks for humoring me! MBH has a color that is hard to beat. You have been using ice storm in crosses lately. Have any other pictures of it?
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